obama pretty much tells like it is. did he do a good job in the debate? >> no. >> governor i want to ask you about vice president biden yesterday on the stump, some comments that people are calling a gaffe by biden where he said obama and biden want to raise taxes by a trillion dollars. guess what, yes we do. is that the right kind of message? >> wait a minute. excuse me but the rest of that you haven't in full context. yes we'll raise taxes on the wealthy. they have been saying that for a year. specifically he said we're not is going raise taxes on the middle class. that's what he said. this is not a gaffe. this is a media hand wringing. when i was campaigning lots of people accused me of gaffes all the time. a gaffe is what people say in washington when you tell the truth and they think you shouldn't have. yeah, the democrats are going raise taxes on wealthy people so we can help balance the budget. that's a pretty reasonable thing. >> governor dean, do you think this debate has consequences for this campaign? >> i debater, he's well prepared, he's obvi